tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post2056145964064606868..comments2023-10-25T12:47:48.822+02:00Comments on A Special Plan For This World: The 40th Anniversary Henry Cow Box Set (2009)Llorthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07103641023912444304noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-44826773242807597832013-07-25T01:36:33.726+02:002013-07-25T01:36:33.726+02:00Amazing, sharing music on the internet without the...Amazing, sharing music on the internet without the author's consent is "hard work", but actually making this music and then putting a release like this together and releasing it is apparently no big deal. And if anyone disagrees, we can suck the blogger's ass. God forbid Chris Cutler should have an opinion on this.<br /><br />http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/collateral-damage_chris-cutler<br /><br />He can suck your ass too, right? Keep up the hard work!Berradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285025311934902538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-1848470764096538562011-10-22T16:17:15.391+02:002011-10-22T16:17:15.391+02:00The best web-site to buy Zoloft at the internet to...The best web-site to buy Zoloft at the internet to care for obsessive-compulsive disorders. Don't worry about illness with help of our treatment. Qualified support for all customers. 25 mg x 60 pills, 50 mg x 30 pills, 100 mg x 90 pills and other packages are available.zoloft no prescriptionhttp://www.buyzoloftonlinenoprescription.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-17815402456211019352011-02-03T21:21:00.765+01:002011-02-03T21:21:00.765+01:00THIS BOX SET IS OOP. So all the people bitching ab...THIS BOX SET IS OOP. So all the people bitching about people not being able to afford a $200 box set can rest easily; it's now going to be going for about, oh, $700 to own the whole thing. So, I'm pretty sure mp3's are a-okay now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-1494826457754043892010-10-31T12:27:48.108+01:002010-10-31T12:27:48.108+01:00I tried to download a couple of things, but wasn&#...I tried to download a couple of things, but wasn't able. I would love to be able to have a listen. On the copyright issue, I'm a musician, and I never made any money out of it, other than expenses for gigs...I did it for love. Ideally we should be able to earn a living doing the thing we love, and artists should get paid. I think the solution is that artists should set up their own accounts. By all means download the music, but if you really like it, or respect it, then give something to the artist in recognition. CD's are too expensive. 140 quid is a lot of money when you don't have it. What is important is that the music is kept alive and available, and that art is no longer the preserve of the privileged classes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-41422171172678350522010-06-16T16:19:43.378+02:002010-06-16T16:19:43.378+02:00Gosh what a heated arguement. Fascinating reading ...Gosh what a heated arguement. Fascinating reading but you must realise that you have all made valid points? Some thoughts:-<br /><br />Henry Cow were brilliant<br /><br />Only a handful of people think this (but we are correct)<br /><br />ReR did an invaluable and hercilean job in keeping 'difficult' music available to us madmen who need this stuff<br /><br />Rer can't have made huge profits because only a handful of people think this.<br /><br />Surely the internet will take over this important role now?<br /><br />The box set is a fans only release and this blog will not have any effect on that or sales.<br /><br />Illegal downloading has been a HUGE boon to us independantly minded bulk listeners who don't believe a word published in the music press - now we can try before we buy - and all the evidence is that we are still the bulk buyers. I certainly am.<br /><br />Illegal downloading is a threat to big record Co's but then what does that matter? Their product is effluent now anyway. As long as you buy and keep buying the good music then there is an economic reason for those acts to grow/mature.<br /><br />Just for the record I have not downloaded the box set. I only have 1 life and I want to find more good new stuff. I have all of the original albums the Cow put out and love'em.<br /><br />If memory serves correctly weren't all of the Cow from well-to-do families? I can't imagine that this blog is therefore much of a threat to them.<br /><br />All of that having been said it is a little rude illegally downloading what is clearly a labour of love without lavishing praise (or money) in the direction of Henry Cow and ReR in some form. They've had my money so:-<br /><br />I LOVE HENRY COW!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-332463703255778142010-04-28T06:44:36.987+02:002010-04-28T06:44:36.987+02:00Volumes 1, 7 and 9 have broken links.
It would be ...Volumes 1, 7 and 9 have broken links.<br />It would be great if you could re-upload those as well.<br /><br />Thank you.subnimial knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-40652385182842479112010-04-18T18:44:06.633+02:002010-04-18T18:44:06.633+02:00I'm downloading it, thanks for posting. I real...I'm downloading it, thanks for posting. I really wish I could afford to buy it, (had my eye on it ever since I saw it coming), but I haven't got the cash & its unlikely that I will ever be able to afford it.<br /><br />Bought the Art Bears & This Heat boxes, admire Chris & the rest of the Cow/ReR gang but I aint got the cash to fork out for this.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-84286181149446886192010-02-07T17:07:51.005+01:002010-02-07T17:07:51.005+01:00Well, I'm only downloading because here in Bra...Well, I'm only downloading because here in Brazil even have to buy this box! For the internet is very expensive!<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />DonizettiDoni Françahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12940957256215951079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-83022533492357689992010-02-06T17:11:23.879+01:002010-02-06T17:11:23.879+01:00Llort is a spoiled brat and is in clear violation ...Llort is a spoiled brat and is in clear violation of international copyright laws. Here's to the hopes that a cease-and-desist order from a law office found him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-38952081497262384992010-01-16T01:34:50.361+01:002010-01-16T01:34:50.361+01:00(*Note: By "saving my cash", I mean &quo...(*Note: By "saving my cash", I mean "saving up what pithy money I've been making to eventually buy this and who-knows-what-else".)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-73040703337350951862010-01-16T01:33:01.379+01:002010-01-16T01:33:01.379+01:00Just to chime in: I'm a musician myself, and I...Just to chime in: I'm a musician myself, and I do, indeed, download music online, sometimes (most likely) in violation of copyright. And yet, when I am given the opportunity (monetary and otherwise) to actually buy something that I've downloaded, I buy the physical copy - or at least SOME official copy - in a heartbeat. At the moment I do not have the money to get this fabulous box; hence, I am downloading it. That does not mean that I do not fully intend to buy it later, simply that I would like to listen in the meantime.<br /><br />By the way, for those who want to avoid a guilty conscience yet are unwilling to schill out the full price should look no further than eMusic for the music on these discs. Still, not remotely as cool as the actual box... Hence, I'm saving my cash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-48308510620348308772010-01-15T23:16:06.570+01:002010-01-15T23:16:06.570+01:00I hesitate to join the discussion, but as I've...I hesitate to join the discussion, but as I've personally had to fight this issue myself, I must add some stuff. To the haters of sharing, do you also hate and want to drive out of business all sellers of used compact discs and vinyl? I find that over the last decade most of my disc purchases have been from used cd stores. If anyone is violating the musicians' rights, it is they, who are actually making money off the re-selling without any money going to the musicians. I found this thought via Manu Chao, who has argued that since the sharing people aren't making money off the music, they should not be chased away. It makes more sense to attack the sharing hosts (rapidshare, mediafire, megaupload, etc) who are actually making money by selling the space whereby the sharing takes place. Also, in the case of the used stores, the original buyer is making money by selling to the store who is making money by selling to the end buyer. Should they all be thrown in jail as well? Why not, as they are actually violating the copyright laws as well, no? I personally don't love the sharing, but have had to adapt, as we all have. Until the capitalist system is destroyed, we will all have to put up with others using us, the artists, as I am one also. The real problem is the overall imbedded system, but since most people are unaware of the true culprit, they are unable to counter it. In the Art of War by Sun Tzu, it is taught that the best way to destroy your enemy is to get it to destroy itself. The purveyors of money have created a system (the US military created the internet, you know) whereby the broke fans are 'stealing' the music of the leftist pacifist musical artists. You do know that the CIA considered John Lennon an enemy to America, don't you? What better way to destroy their enemy, us, that to get us to attack each other, and weaken each other. Problem is, they also created this economic crisis which has made this issue more difficult to those of us who would have preferred to make a living making music. Until you can identify the true enemy, we will only weaken ourselves.<br /><br />ps, I wouldn't buy a Henry Cow box set, I don't know anything of theirs, and this would never be a start, unless, of course, I found that I liked it, and then I would look first on Amazon for a used copy. A drummer friend of mine made me several Fred Frith tapes in the 90's, should I call the cops on him? I don't remember the stuff at all, but I have them packed away in some box somewhere. I also enjoyed the soundtrack to Rivers and Tides, but I taped that off IFC, so I suppose Fred should sue IFC and VHS manufacturers as well.<br /><br />Find the real enemy before you destroy your allies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-85096502517058514152009-12-22T10:22:35.832+01:002009-12-22T10:22:35.832+01:00You're an ex-member of HC? Prove it.You're an ex-member of HC? Prove it.Llorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07103641023912444304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-24605321257710838542009-12-21T21:43:09.015+01:002009-12-21T21:43:09.015+01:00as an ex-member of HC I can only say I wish I'...as an ex-member of HC I can only say I wish I'd found this site a bit earlier - regardless of all the debate, the fact remains that what you are doing is probably illegal.<br />I've sent the link to ReRe boss/ex HC drummer Chris Cutler, & I hope he finds a way to sue your ass, rather than kiss it..Geoff Leighnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-54393875467341443202009-11-11T06:07:55.322+01:002009-11-11T06:07:55.322+01:00Thank you for putting this in the hands of people ...Thank you for putting this in the hands of people who can ill afford at the moment. I think the problem is:<br /><br /> RER should have made this set available in individual sets aside from the box so people could purchase 1 at a time. <br /><br />I will be making this a purchase around Christmas time with money I receive from relatives. In the meantime I can enjoy this great offering by great musicians!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-18138290528091970272009-10-03T04:33:08.857+02:002009-10-03T04:33:08.857+02:00Anonymous you're so smart but you can't ev...Anonymous you're so smart but you can't even see the whole picture. Places like this are actually helping musicians to get audiences worldwide and in time, buyers of their music. If you buy stuff without knowing what you're buying, good for you and perhaps you should tell your friends to wait for downloading after the 1500 boxes are sold so when they realize they actually like the music they cant find it anywhere. Am I wrong?, I don't think so geniusvilloconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-54526343006855813562009-09-29T17:10:57.665+02:002009-09-29T17:10:57.665+02:00Yeah the internet which introduced millions and no...Yeah the internet which introduced millions and not just a select few to actually slightly more obscure music than what's typically running on MTV and radio are killing it.Llorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07103641023912444304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-11921508710870536772009-09-28T12:28:49.849+02:002009-09-28T12:28:49.849+02:00and what is so fucking stupid about it, they only ...and what is so fucking stupid about it, they only want you to delay this download till all boxes (1500) went out. nothing more.<br /><br />With this kind of attitude there will be nothing to offer for you at this very place in the future because this kind of music will be dead. And we will listen to shit all day long till we die.<br /><br />And believe me YOU ARE WRONG!<br /><br />And one more time for the world: FUCK YOU!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-41260800216703442952009-09-28T12:10:20.763+02:002009-09-28T12:10:20.763+02:00This release is done with love. Shame on you. Supp...This release is done with love. Shame on you. Support art. Chris Cutler is running a record company that releases fantastic music. I'm sure it needs every little money to keep on running. I have not the money to buy it too but you know what I BOUGHT IT and it's worth it.<br /><br />FUCK YOU!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-57907764338881505032009-09-04T00:46:22.705+02:002009-09-04T00:46:22.705+02:00In my country £100 is about a worker's monthly...In my country £100 is about a worker's monthly wage. If someone tell me I can listen just what I can afford or what's on the radio I would give him the finger. This Internet thing is here to stay and the challenge for musicians is the same than for the rest of us: to learn how to take advantage of it.. So Llort, please keep the hard work!!villoconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-82883963222549220532009-09-03T08:37:36.091+02:002009-09-03T08:37:36.091+02:00i have a feeling there are not too many people dow...i have a feeling there are not too many people downloading this release who would have spent the ~$140 on the boxes. So far i am really enjoying 2 of the 9 cds, and i imagine i'll probably dig another one or 2 over time. If i had ended up really liking it, i would have no qualms to go out and buy the sets, so that i can get the dvd and the booklets. but as it turns out, this has provided me and excellent opportunity to try out the release before making the purchasing decision. I personally think the band should release individual cds of some of this material, and especially the DVD. I would definitely pay 25 bucks for the DVD if it were released individually. Over the last 4 years i have downloaded countless hundreds of albums. But as a result i have discovered way more bands and purchased way more Cds than i would have otherwise. I hope this isn't really hurting the band... that would be a shame, but it is most definitely not a black and white situation. <br />It really boils down to if you have disposable income and normally spend it on CDs, than downloading is not going to stop you. People like to quantify the amount of money lost by downloading, but they rarely take into account that most of those people would have never bought the releases in the first place. (maybe this is less true the more mainstream an album is.... and in those cases it is the prohibitively high cost of cds that is the real problem).<br /><br />Thank you for posting this.!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-13725956138188687882009-08-04T13:12:50.798+02:002009-08-04T13:12:50.798+02:00I feel the need to comment on the heated discussio...I feel the need to comment on the heated discussion taking place on this page because I have at different points sat firmly on both sides. As a musician I refused to download music for a very long time as I felt it was ripping off the artists. But after 3 years of being a student living on the bread line, temporarily unable to afford purchasing any music, I changed my mind. I was tired of not being able to listen to music I was interested in and would change my life, just because I couldn't afford it. Should music only be a privilege for those with money? If I had the spare money I would use it on vinyl. Which is what I did when I had a full time job. But for the last 3 years I have not had the spare money. Does that mean I should be denied the gift of music? Why should you get to benefit from the life enriching experience of listening to music you love, whilst I don't, just because you are fortunate enough to have a job that pays well. And what about the people who for whatever reason are un-employable? I'm sure their lives are tough enough without being denied the joy of music. You're probably seeing me as a gluttonous spoilt brat who should just go without for a while and settle with what they've already got. To that I respond that you must have no idea how much music means to me. As I am a musician/audio engineer and D.J, I'm sure you can understand music is my life. I constantly need to absorb new sounds to keep me passionate, thriving, motivated and inspired. Without new music all my work would become stagnant. This is not saying music is disposable to me. I keep every track I've ever loved close to me. But I need to keep being reminded of what's out there to keep me inspired to be out there creating too. By hearing more, my creative vision will be expanded and I will be putting better work out there. I decided as a musician I would rather my music be heard for free by someone than not at all. Yes I would rather they pay for it so I can make a living off it. But if that isn't a possibility I'd still like them to hear it. Due to downloading I have heard a couple of albums that I fell so deeply in love with I worked extra shifts, slaving my butt off, so I could scrimp and save over a period of time to afford the occasional purchase. I wouldn't have done this if I hadn't downloaded the album because I never would have had the chance to fall in love with it. I am also a (volunteer) D.J and play some music I have downloaded on the air. At this present time in my life I cannot afford to buy all the music I need to fill my track list. But by playing music I have downloaded on air, the music is reaching many many more people, some of whom may download it, BUT some of whom will buy it. Which never would have happened if I hadn't downloaded it. I'm studying audio engineering and within the course we study business & law. Within this class we held a discussion with industry professionals (including musicians) who said downloading is the way forward and the negative stigma needs to be lost. They had the opinion that it is the best marketing device out there. It gets the bands name out there. And sure, a lot of people might stick to their downloads and never purchase the album/see a concert. But those are the people who were never going to anyway. The people who want the album will still want it even after they have a shitty little mp3 file. When I had money spare I bought Henry Cow. When I have money spare again, I'm sure as hell gonna buy this box set. Even though I've already downloaded these mp3 files. I'm sure I've gone into so much detail you've already tuned out. But I felt you needed to hear a detailed case so you could really understand where other people stand. I'm sure my case is not a rare one.<br /><br />p.s Llort, thank you for providing me with the beauty of Henry Cow, which I otherwise would not have experienced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-19624203889647568892009-07-17T18:21:46.941+02:002009-07-17T18:21:46.941+02:00i don´t have money buy this box set! thank you ver...i don´t have money buy this box set! thank you very much for the post!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-15903853714352857042009-06-19T18:33:12.321+02:002009-06-19T18:33:12.321+02:00Henry Cow is a great band. In the good'ol 70s ...Henry Cow is a great band. In the good'ol 70s me and my friends used to rip-off music from each other by cassette recorders! We even used to put the microphone up to the speaker! The sound was awful, to be sure, but just the same enjoyable. Now we can burn CDs and download from the Internet. Sure, there are poor artists all over the world, and it's sure nice to help them out. But at this precise moment I am unable to buy even a simple CD: I am jobless and living in a very poor country. So is it really wrong to download once in a while? Maybe later I can buy the box (I would especially like to have in my hands the accompanying booklet). Anyway I think both you guys are right (and wrong). So, cheers! Life is short and art everlasting...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8198574361408313196.post-64639696378055455442009-06-08T01:36:59.351+02:002009-06-08T01:36:59.351+02:00QUIT FIGHTING
if you like it, buy it
if you dont...QUIT FIGHTING<br /><br />if you like it, buy it<br /><br />if you dont have the money, buy a more affordable release<br /><br />i personally think henry cow were never in it for the moneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com